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Below are the video and transcript of an interview with Rocky Anderson, former mayor of Salt Lake City and 2012 presidential nominee of the recently formed Justice Party, from the Real News Network.

Transcript

PAUL JAY, SENIOR EDITOR, TRNN: Welcome to The Real News Network. I’m Paul Jay in Washington.

Well, if you watch television these days, you’d think there will only be two candidates for president, President Obama and Mitt Romney—the most likely Republican representative. But in fact there is another serious challenge, serious at least in terms of his ideas. I guess it’s yet to be determined how serious it can be in terms of actual effect. That person is Rocky Anderson. Rocky is the leader of a new Justice Party. He’s running for president, and he was the mayor of Salt Lake City. Thanks very much for joining us, Rocky.ROCKY ANDERSON, U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, JUSTICE PARTY: It’s great to be with you. Thank you.JAY: So a lot of our viewers may have seen some of your interviews on some of the other, I guess, alternative networks. You’ve also been on some mainstream television when you announced the Justice Party. So instead of going over your whole program again—and we may even link to some of those interviews—I want to jump into one point that you’ve been focusing on, and that is the issue of money in politics. And you’ve been talking a lot about the need for a constitutional amendment to overturn the Citizens United Supreme Court decision. But that money in politics certainly existed before such a decision. You know, the 1 percent of the 1 percent has been more or less dominating U.S. politics, almost, maybe, since there was a United States of America. And you talk about the need for new paradigm, sort of addressing the system, not just changing the faces of the president. So how do you grapple with this sort of deeper problem?ANDERSON: Well, our system has been rotten to the core for many years. The Citizens United case just made it so clear how bad it really is. Finally the American people are sitting up and paying attention.I was on the board of directors of Utah Common Cause for a number of years, going up to our state legislature, urging them to pass legislation to prohibit gifts by lobbyists to legislators year after year. They acted toward us with such utter disdain, as if there weren’t a problem with legislators sitting on the front row of Utah Jazz games or being given golf packages or ski packages. It is just amazing how bribery has taken over our system of government, how those with the wealth really are in control. And it is at the bottom of every major public policy disaster in this country.Why are we the only industrialized nation on the face of the planet without a central health care coverage for every citizen? It’s because of the corrupting influence of money in our system, from the health insurance industry, from pharmaceutical companies. Same reason why we have these high drug prices. Why do people go to Canada to get the same drugs that they could buy in this country, but at much lower prices in Canada? It’s because of the corrupting influence of money from the pharmaceutical industry.JAY: Now, one of the—at the core of a lot of this is the control of the banking sector. And when it came time to—when the banking sector, after their own casino activities essentially led them to collapse and they needed a public bailout, that seemed to be a moment where there could have been some real challenge to that power, ’cause certainly the power of money in politics comes from this concentration of ownership. And when the big banks were on their knees and they needed the public money, one would have thought that was an opportunity to do something about it. So if you’d been president in 2008, what would you have done differently?ANDERSON: Well, certainly we needed to stabilize our financial system, but there should not have been this carte blanche given by Congress and the White House as we’re giving the banking sector billions of dollars, but without conditions. Nobody said you’ve got to be providing this money for loans for small businesses, for people who are trying to get into their first homes, pay off their mortgages, all these millions of people that are underwater in their homes. There were none of those protections for the American people. It was just another bailout for the banks, and then these folks kept stuffing their own pockets with millions of dollars.How anybody that got us into these problems in the first place, much of it through financial fraud—and we know that now—how they even maintain their positions of power in these entities, let alone getting the bonuses that they’ve taken away with taxpayer money—. And I blame not the greed on Wall Street so much, because we expect people on Wall Street to be greedy, and especially if they’re playing by the rules, to take advantage. But we have hired, through our elections, people in Washington and Congress and the White House who are supposed to be protecting our interests, and instead they’ve been betraying us every single day, as they’ve been the lap dogs for the financial industry.JAY: Well, how do you assess, then, Dodd-Frank and whatever regulations have actually come out of Dodd-Frank? What do you make of those efforts?ANDERSON: Well, I think it’s a good first step, obviously, but it’s in a sense window dressing. Why have we not brought back Glass-Steagall? Why do we allow there to be any banks that are considered too large to fail? That’s the whole problem is they know that they can engage in these very risky, sometimes illegal, sometimes fraudulent activities and there’s not going to be accountability. How do they get to that point? Well, they give more, for instance, to President Obama’s campaign than ever before in the history of this country, and so the Obama administration, they have not prosecuted one person for the illegal conduct that helped lead to our economic disaster, from which people are still reeling in this country.How is it that Goldman Sachs can be selling to their customers these perverse products, and at the same time betting billions of dollars against them without disclosing that to their own customers, to their own clients, and nobody pays a penalty for that? How can they market these instruments with these toxic mortgages, mortgages that they had to have known would not be paying off? How do they market those as AAA investments, the lowest-risk investments possible? How do they do that? And then the bottom falls out and not one person brought to account. That’s a pretty good return on their investments [crosstalk]JAY: Now, one of the things that’s been suggested by some of the economists we’ve been talking to is that there needs to be some way—an alternative form of banking, in other words—that one of—the power of the banking sector on Wall Street is partly in their ability to, you know, as you say, finance political campaigns, and especially if you look at what happened at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission when they tried to develop position limits. The lobbying effort was about 100 to 1 pro-Wall Street lobbyists to reformers. And they bring to bear massive resources. So very little gets done, both in terms of legislation and regulation. And some people are suggesting what there needs to be is some form of public banking so that there isn’t this form of blackmail. You know, this too-big-to-fail is essentially blackmail: you don’t come bail us out, your economy will be destroyed. So what’s your sense of this proposal of some form of banking as a public utility?ANDERSON: Well, I think there should be a people’s bank, in effect, where we’re not dependent on these large banks anymore. And I do think that these—any bank that’s considered too large to fail, that there ought to only be one thing that’s too large to fail, and that’s the American middle class. We should be breaking up these banks. Glass-Steagall should be put back into law so that you don’t have investment banks and lending banks and insurance companies all together, because that—without that, we would not have faced this economic crisis. And we owe it to the American people. Our government ought to be serving the public interest, rather than simply the interest of the folks at Goldman Sachs and the rest on Wall Street.But what do we expect when the president of the United States has surrounded himself with these folks? He’s not surrounding himself with public advocates. He’s surrounding himself, in terms of policy, with these Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street folks who go through this revolving door in government. And so there is so much that we can do if our government, if Congress and the White House were really focused on the public interest.The control of the Fed, for instance: why is it that the Federal Reserve can be basically under the table without disclosure, without congressional oversight, without congressional approval, be pushing out billions of dollars to the banks that are essentially controlling the Fed? It is the most corrupt system. Alan Greenspan going to Congress and saying publicly—and everybody treating him as if he was some kind of oracle—encouraging people to go to adjustable-rate mortgages, and then almost immediately he starts raising interest rates. I think there were 17 increases in a row in the interest rates, so that people who were going out, following his advice, getting those adjustable-rate mortgages, were absolutely getting hosed, when the banks once again were cleaning up.So we know of these problems. It’s time that we respond and that those who are elected to represent our interests start doing that. And we need—at the very top, we need somebody in the White House that’s going to make this case very clear to the American people and create the political demands so that nobody in Congress can ever get away with doing what they’ve done in the past, where there will be a real political price to be paid for those who continue to serve as the lackeys for the financial institutions who have taken such gross advantage of deregulation at the detriment, to the detriment of the American people and so many other millions of people around the world.JAY: Thanks very much for joining us, Rocky.ANDERSON: Thanks so much.JAY: And thank you for joining us on The Real News Network.

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Independent Political Report

To the silly people complaining about the “Attack on Christmas.” Since “Christ-mas” has nothing to do with a Christmas tree, or Santa, or black Friday, I think you guys need to get a grip on your own religion. Decorating a tree is a Pagan tradition.

It just bothers me that hypocrites constantly feel attacked about their beliefs but always have rationalizations about why they aren’t good Christians. They blame everyone else but themselves while they send xmas cards with Santa or Frosty on the the front. Any “Christian” who has let their child hunt for Easter eggs has participated in a pagan ritual that according to the bible are satans works and a sin.

They forget all about the guy on the cross when they are in Wal-Mart buying crap they don’t need then put themselves on the cross as martyrs for an over commercialized holiday.

On Easter we never say happy resurrection day. We hunt eggs, a Pagan ritual of fertility. Do right wing Christmas enthusiasts believe this is a left wing conspiracy too? No one is attacking your beliefs, they are helping you to find reality.

But go ahead and keep blaming the devil for declining congregations and rampant sin in an unjust world. Just keep telling yourself while you cower behind your plastic homage to a pagan induced ritual, that everyone else is at fault. While you, with your unjustified righteous indignation, pass though this Earth crowned in a store bought, unsanctioned halo bestowed upon you by a child molesting preacher.

Hypocrites.

The Democratic Republican

Let us contemplate and savor the last few years as we roll toward the ‘theatre of the Absurd’ 2012 Presidential race. What are the priorities of the Obama administration and do they have anything to do with serving America and building her up?

First of all, the wars – Libya.

Rather than find a clear and honorable way to conclude the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan after 10 years of clearing out Islamic terrorists, watching thousands of our troops die and building infrastructure, Obama bypasses congress completely, rushes to the ‘international and Muslim influenced’ UN for leadership and rushes the U.S. into a 3rd war, in Libya.

Remember, when this started in, Gadaffi hadn’t attacked America and wasn’t at war with our allies. They were having a civil war, a war between extremist groups. It was soon revealed that the ‘freedom fighters’ he was taking on were only linked with Al Kaeda. They also wanted freedom from Gaddaffi. Now, does that mean America jumps into the middle of their war and starts shooting missiles and spending hundreds of millions? Apparently with Obama it does, while he pretends to be Mother Theresa in all this.

In the beginning of this Libyan disaster, ‘Operation Unified Protector’ we were spending 100 million a day lobbing missiles through Libya. Only this week the Pentagon is admitting that the war costs are soaring. Gee, what a shock. Even though we are working under NATO, as usual the US is doing most of the work and spending most of the money. You do the math! We are doing 70% of the reconnaissance missions and 75% of refueling flights. According to the Pentagon’s numbers, the military has shot off 228 missiles by May at 1.5 million a piece in expense. Any money left for coffee?

The Department of Defense has confirmed that Libyan military operations have cost American tax payers 4,000,000 so far. The bottom line is that this war will be a bottomless hole of billions spent. . . again. This time with no approval and support of congress and the America people. Our military is the absolute best and bravest in the world AND this war is a waste of money, talent our military and a complete sham.

Regarding the other wars, Iraq and Afghanistan

We have spent hundreds of billions taking on Islamic radicals and helping to stabilize new Government structures in Afghanistan and Iraq. Bravo to our amazing troops! There will never be a perfect Government situation in each country. Their military and leadership core is not always functioning right, but, they are functioning and can survive now.

It is time to create a 6 month time line to bring our heroic troops home and leave Iraqi and Afghanistan leadership to stand on their own. This can work for them and the US but we have to finally get clear with Islamic radicalism and fundamentalism here and through out the Middle East with our message. Our political correctness and dependency on OPEC oil is getting us killed and playing entirely into Muslim radical’s hands.

We need a loud, clear and very public policy shouted at the roof tops to Islamic leaders around the world, Iran, Syria, Hamas, Fatah, Saudia Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey et al. . .

“Regardless of what branch of Islam or Islamic expression you identify with, if you attack an American or her alleys in the U.S. or abroad, we will quickly find you and hold you accountable. There will be no discussion with the UN, Islamic leaders, OPEC or Media. Those who strike America and her allies, especially Israel, will find themselves destroyed.”

We must also let Islamic leadership know that any attack on Israel will be a bold attack on the US and be prepared for harsh and swift retaliation by the US not just Israel.

Back to bringing our troops home.

Our country has contributed for 10 years to wiping out Islamic terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan.. Islamic radicals who want a world wide Caliphate are peppered throughout all the Islamic countries. We can’t be at war everywhere, so what do we do then? As I said before. We have a VERY CLEAR message as to the swift cost of striking America, her allies and interests. We build up the strongest military in the world again. We undo the stupid, START treaty with Russia, build up our military budget and research, while, boldly making the U.S. military number one in every area. We can walk softly, with compassion and honor, BUT WITH ALL THE EVIL AND RADICAL MISSION OF MUCH OF ISLAM WE MUST CARRY A BIGGER STICK. . . AND BE READY TO USE IT.

We have seen the hundreds of billions wasted in wars but what about jobs and our economy.

Where are the jobs President Obama?

Obama takes credit for creating 2 million jobs the last few years. There were some temporary census worker type jobs, but 2 million??? That figure makes the old classic TV show, Fantasy Island, look real. The truth is, our economy is plunging back into a double dip recession. Jobless numbers are going higher. Foreclosures are increasing and home values going lower. Our economy is very sick and tilting. Whose fault is it now Obama? President Bush again? Perhaps, Sarah Palin caused it by shooting a Moose in Alaska somewhere.

The bottom line is that if Obama actually gave a damn about our country he would have made it a quick priority to pursue energy independence and approve the hundreds of energy projects waiting for years for his ‘on high’ approval to start in. He would have shown leadership in this area and a quick way to get unhitched and independent from OPEC. Obama would have been rapidly building natural gas infrastructure, creating affordable options with how to fill up our tanks. But no….remember, Obama said he was looking forward to 4 and 5 dollar a gallon gas. I don’t know anyone else in America who likes it!!!

In 2012 America must put American priorities back at her helm.

Tax overhaul and massive relieve for all:

1. Total energy independence from OPEC.

2. Stop talking about it and secure all our borders. Stop the 200 billion a year drug flow, illegal aliens from around the world pouring across our borders. Deal, compassionately, yet realistically with those already here.

3. Court U.S. manufacturing back from around the world by reigning in the ‘unholy Trinity’ regulation, taxation and litigation. Allow freedom to build business again.

4. Repeal and destroy the unconstitutional Health care bill.

5. Create real jobs by the millions by creating massive energy infrastructure projects, road and bridge improvement projects in all 50 states.

6. Take a real, consistent and bold stand against Islamic radicalism and other enemies to America and her allies.

In 2012 we must put courage, integrity, Americanism, Godliness and common sense back in the White House. Our freedom and country depends on it…..NO, the world depends on it.

God bless and restore America.

Written by Dr. Laurie Roth, Ph.D

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